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Sober Yoga Girl: Sober in Color with Barbara Williams

Barbara finally ditched the booze on Sunday 7th February 2021. After several attempts it was finally time for her to make the decision to look at her relationship with alcohol and focus on the more important relationships in her life. She is now 51 being her authentic self, living a fulfilled sober life.

Barbara is an ambassador for Bee Sober organising meet up for sober and sober curious in the Sheffield area, connecting like-minded people whether it be for a brunch or roller-skating. She has recently started her sober coaching course to be able to start helping people wishing to rethink their relationship with alcohol, wanting to transform their lives from chaos to calm. Tune into this episode to hear Barbara's story in sobriety!


Hi, friend. This is Alex McRobs, founder of The Mindful Life Practice, and you're listening to the Sober Yoga Girl podcast. I'm a Canadian who moved across the world to the Middle East at age 23, and I never went back. I got sober in 2019, and I now live full-time in Bali, Indonesia. I've made it my mission to help other women around the world stop drinking, start yoga, and change their lives through my online Sober Girls Yoga community. You're not alone and a sober life can be fun and fulfilling. Let me show you how. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Sober Yoga Girl Podcast. I am really excited about this interview. I have Barbara Williams with me here today. And we have... There are these people that you've just been connected with on Instagram throughout your sober journey, and Barbara is one of them. She's a Be Sober ambassador, and I've had a lot of Be Sober connections with my community. And she's also involved in The Dry app. She's a live member in The Dry app, which I just learned about what that means. And I'm just so excited to hear a little bit more about her sober journey. She's 800 days sober as of this week, which is an amazing accomplishment. So welcome, Barbara. How are you? I'm great. Thank you for having me, Alex. Thank you. Good to be here. Really good to be here. Thanks for being here. And congratulations on 800 days. Eight hundred days is a huge number. Isn't it? I haven't got an app or anything. So I often do a how long ago was the seventh of February 1921 in Google? And it was a few days ago. And I thought, Oh, my gosh, it's going to be 800 days on Saturday. Saturday just gone. It was 800 days. And so, yeah, that is a big number. And I'm very pleased with myself. You know what? You're the first other person I've met who I'm the same way. I don't have an app. I will just type into Google how many days since April 13th. And whenever people hear that, they always say, You know, there's counter apps that you can have. And I'm like, I know. But I actually, I think I deleted my counter app because it was taking up too much space on my phone and then I just never got it back again. I'm always googling my. Sober days. I never have that one. Your sober day is the day after my daughter's birthday, so I will always remember that. That's amazing. What's your sober date? February 1921. 1921, sorry. I thought I was going to say my birthday then, but my birthday isn't 1921 either. It's 2021. Oh, my. Gosh, that killed me. That's so funny. So, 2021. Okay, seventh of February. I don't have any connection to that. Well, it's two months before my birthday, so there, I'll always remember that. Yeah, there's always a date connection. The seventh of... My birthday is the seventh of July. So seven has always been a lucky number for me. And the day... It was just a coincidence that it is the seventh of February, but I'm happy that it is. My birthday is the seventh of April and my psychic's birthday is the seventh of July, actually, Dan. And we were just talking about the spirituality of the number seven. There's seven days in a week. There's seven chakras. Seven is a pretty special number, and that's cool. Oh, that's giving me goosebumps again. That's twice this morning. You've got to stop this. So I was. Wondering if you could tell me a little bit about your life before sobriety. Yeah, it. Seems such a long time ago, but obviously I did have a life before sobriety. Do you want me to start my drinking? How my drinking evolved? Yeah, sure. The first time I was drunk, I was 14. It the first time I was drunk, I blacked out. My dad had to come and get me from a pub or the street. I was on the side of a street and I was throwing up and everything. That's the first time I was drunk. And then all through my teens, we did go to pubs, but I don't really recall being drunk. When I was 14, we could go into pubs. There was no ID. I didn't do any of the going to the pub. A lot of people say that they were on parts drinking cider or whatever they were drinking. I didn't do any of that. We were in pubs, but not always drinking alcohol. It was just really to be together. There's like 10 of us, around 10 of us would go to the pub just to be together. And then through my twenties, through my teens and twenties, I really wasn't a drinker. I was a raver. So alcohol wasn't particularly the drug of choice, shall we say. So through my 20s, I was raving. And then towards the end of my 20s and into my 30s was more of the LADget culture, sex in the city. I used to have sex in the city parties at my house where we'd drink wine and then Cosmopolitans were fashionable at the time, so I'd drink quite a few of those. And then it was a gradual progression really into binge drinking. Weekend binge, binge, blackout drinking, drunk, not remembering going to bed, just the weekends. And then I would say most of my 40s, it was gradually creeping into the week. Not every week, not every night, but I was drinking a lot. The gradual progression. And then I did do, when thinking about... I was speaking to somebody, Christine, actually, the other week about when did we, when did you, I asked her, when did you actually feel like you wanted to stop drinking? Because I honestly can't really remember thinking, Oh, I want to stop drinking, but I know that I was thinking that I did want to stop drinking. Does that make you... Do you know what I mean? It's really difficult to... So I did do a sober October, but I did that for charity, almost as though if you're not going to do this for charity, I probably wouldn't have done it. So I did do that. And then that was obviously for four weeks, for a month, but I carried it on to seven weeks. I remember the seven... At the end of the seven weeks, my husband and I, we went to Manchester and we were out for a nice meal and I was really hesitant, but I did. I ordered a glass of wine and the glass of wine sat there for quite some time. I was thinking, I don't think I'm going to drink that. Next thing, I woke up in the morning with my shoes on, so I did drink it. I did drink it. And then, I'm not going to drink this week. There's always that trying to moderate. I'm not going to drink this week. And then Monday comes, Tuesday comes and I end up drinking or I would say white wine was my poison of choice. I drink or Praseca or Cava, thinking that this glass is smaller, I'm drinking less. It's not as alcohol. The volume of alcohol is not as high. But then I just drink more. And then if I didn't feel that drunk feeling, I would end up drinking wine again. And then I did do a dry... No, I tried to do a dry January. So January is a funny month to be sober, isn't it? Well, for me to start to be sober, it was... There was booze in the house still from Christmas and New Year. And I started on the fourth of January, so we didn't even start on the first. And it was someone's birthday, I think, and went out on the 13th or 14th. So I did 10 days being sober and just carried on drinking again. Okay, a pivotal moment for me was I said to my daughter, so I've got a daughter, Candice, and she's got two children. But at the time she had one and it was Zachary, so my grandson. And I'd pick it with me halfway because she lives in Cambridge, I live in Sheffield. So we're two hours away from each other. So we meet halfway. I have Zachary, I have my time with my grandson, Candice has some time to herself. And I said to Candice, on a Sunday, I almost rush to get him back to you so I can go home and have a drink. And so that was not wanting to spend time with my grandson to want to go home to start drinking. And when I say that out loud, that honestly makes me feel awful. So that was a moment when I thought, no, I really need to think about my drinking. And then lockdown came, and then that really does magnify, shine a light on what to me, how much I was actually drinking. When Boris Johnson announced that you can only go to the shops for essential drinking, I've still got the photographs. Me and my husband, we went to the shop and literally bought the whole shop as much alcohol as possible. When I think back, it's so ridiculous, but we did do that. And going to the shop for essential items after that had all gone a loaf of bread, yes, and a bottle of wine or two. But in lockdown, it was the day before I became sober, it was a Sundaymorning, it was raining and what else is there to do? Everything's shut, nothing to do. I'm going to start drinking and I did not stop. And then Alan was hide, that Alan, my husband, which I now know afterwards, was hiding alcohol from me. He was hiding the drink, so I didn't have any more. I just thought, no. I mean, I've had... I've had many, I call them pebble bottoms, no rock bottoms, just lots of pebble bottoms. For this one, I just thought, and I've had other incidences, actually, when a friend of mine was hiding alcohol from me, but just thought that was funny. It was fun. Funny, why are you hiding it from me and then me searching for it? So, yes, that was on the sixth of February, not 19, 21, 2000, and... And actually before that, I had listened, so I must have been thinking about it. I was listening to a podcast. Well, I listen to podcasts anyway, but I listen to quite a lot of true crime podcasts. That's my genre of podcast, true crime. And there must be a podcast about giving up drinking. And I found one a lady called Angela Mizennik, an American Lady. And I was listening to her and it was just starting to make a bit of sense that you can live. I think it was stop drinking and start living, I think her podcast was called. And I thought it's quite American centric what she was saying. Some of the things were quite American centric. So I thought there must be a podcast that's produced by someone in the UK. And I found Be Sober, Alex and Lisa. That's how I found them. It's just like, let's Be Sober typing in my Spotify. And I listened to them and I thought, right, they're fun. When you've got this persona as a party animal and you're fun, you think that it's the alcohol that's making you be fun. But obviously I don't drink all... Well, not obviously, but I wasn't drinking all day all night. But when it was... Maybe I thought that people thought I was fun because I was drinking. So the fun element of being sober was important to me. I wanted to still keep my fun side. And I think, well, I know Alex and Lisa are fun. I love their podcast. And I bingeed, listened, I think it was three seasons at the time, a daily. And this is before I became sober. This is before. And then on Instagram, I started to fan them on Instagram, saw who was following them, started to follow Matt Pink, Andy Ramage, people like this. No, I found you through their podcast and then started. So wherever you are in season one, two or three, that's when I started to follow you as well. And yeah, I followed quite a few people, their guests, William Porter, I found him, Soberdate. You know the community, I don't need to go through everybody. Seventh of February 21 was my sober date. I was listening constantly to Angela Mizennik, Be Sober, going on my morning walks, going to bed early, getting away from the space where I used to drink. And by the way, I'm not a reader. And I thought, what's my first book? Sober Diaries was my first book that I read... I'm sorry, that was the first book that I read. Then Annie Grace, This Naked Mind? Yeah. The right one, yeah, yeah. William Porter. And then, William Porter number two, like I'll explain. So I was reading, I was listening to podcast. I was going to bed early. I was feeling great. And I joined Be Sober. I spoke with Alex. And I joined Be Sober straight in as an ambassador. I didn't go in as a member. I thought I'm in Sheffield. I've been here for 10 years, and in the last two years of being sober, I've met more people and have more friends in this time, the last two years, than what I did the eight years before. I just didn't have a... Even going out socializing, having a drunk community, I didn't find those connections, but I've got connections and good friends through Be Sober. So I did join Straightway as an ambassador to selfishly have friends for myself or to find a community here, but also to be accountable as well. I think I've thought that being part of a group would help me to stay accountable, and obviously it's worked, it has. So, yeah, I joined Be Sober as an ambassador, and that was in, I think it was in July 21. So just after my 50th birthday, April, May, June, July, the three months into sobriety, I joined Be Sober. And then I did my first meet-up in October of that year, and my first brunch was in 2022. Yeah, we're in 23 now. So I've been doing brunches for a year now. So the last month of every Saturday, I put on a be sober branch in most Saturdays. Yeah, so that's how I'm been staying sober. And the dry app, I'm a life member there. I was really privileged for Matt Pink to reach out to me and asked me to be a life member there. And that was last December, was launched last December '22. And being a life member, I've come out of my comfort zone. Well, not I did. I came out of my comfort zone with the app in doing lives. I don't know if you've looked at my Instagram. I don't speak on my Instagram. I don't speak. I don't find it that comfortable. So I did push myself out of my comfort zone and felt it was a better space for me to start speaking. So I have done a few lives there, told my story, gave advice and a few tips of how I stay or became and stay sober. So that was last year in December, that was launched and I'm a life member there. And I went to my first sober rave with... Oh, what's she? I'm going to forget her name. So I went to my first sober rave with my friends from Sheffield, went over to Manchester. That was amazing. Yeah, I've done lots of first sobers. I've done a first sober wedding, which was I danced all night and the same as the sober waves, did not stop dancing all night. My first sober wedding. The wedding, so we stayed overnight, so we had a hotel, it was in Cambridge. And there's that lull in between a wedding. Well, not so much a lull, it's the drinking session. You've had your meal and then you're waiting for the evening guests to arrive. So in between that section where people are generally around the bar, I said I'm going to my room for a nap. And my friend said, not the one who was getting married, my friend said, I'll come with you. So we both went to my room and had a nap, came down about, I don't know, about five... No, probably six, half six. And I think the evening guests were coming at seven, half seven. You have to plan these things, don't you? Just, I don't know. Yeah. You've got to do what's comfortable for you in your sobriety. Absolutely. Yeah. Wow. Well, thank you so much for sharing your journey and your story. And there were a few things that stood out to me or resonated with me. One that I wanted to say this stuck with me is that when you mentioned being with your grandson and then wanting to go home to drink. But what I thought of was like, wow, that's amazing how self-aware you were to notice that. I had to think about it. I had to speak it because I think I only noticed and realized stuff like that in my sobriety. You were like, noticing it while you were drinking. And that shows like, I don't know, this awareness and this reflection and this intention towards your sobriety, which I just think is amazing. And something that you were reminding me of as well. You're talking about the moments when you wanted to get sober and taking a little break. And it was making me think of... I just had someone on my podcast. Daniel Patterson. Do you know who Daniel Patterson is? I don't know. Oh, he's really cool. He has a great TikTok, the Patterson perspective. And one of the things he talks about is in sobriety. One of his sayings is land that plane. And it's like when you're trying to get sober, it's like landing a plane. And it could be spinning around or going down or whatever. And we all have that plane landing journey. And for everyone, it looks different. And as you were sharing more as I was just thinking there's probably so many people listening that can relate to that landing of you take your month off and then you're thinking about it and you're reflecting on it. And then you finally have that point when you're ready to land. Yeah. Well, I don't want to be on Daniel's plane. I want to land smoothly, but I do know what you mean. I know what you mean. I don't know anybody who has... I'm going to give up drinking and it stops straight away. Absolutely. I think most people who have challenges and obstacles before they actually make that choice and stick to it. And everyone's journey is so... Yeah, it's totally not linear, and it depends on the culture we come from. And I know in the UK, when you're speaking of all the sober influencers in the UK, I always say the UK feels like the silver capital of the world. There's just so many sober influencers. And I think that's a reflection of how it's also like the drinking capital of the world. There's such a heavy drinking culture that there's a need for that counterculture to rise up. And so it's hard if that's what you're surrounded by and that's the norm in society. Yeah, it is hard. And the Be sober motto, Be brave, be kind, be sober, it's so brave to go against society, which most people are drinkers. I don't forget the percentage, but there's quite a lot of people now becoming sober as well. And I think the younger people are more mindful now than what they were when I was younger. Definitely. Absolutely. And the other thing that then you're sharing remind me of was then we're talking about the role the sober has played in your life and the role that the dry app has played in your life. And it also just made me think of the importance of community and how hard it is to do the sobriety journey alone. And you said being part of a community would help you stay accountable. And I think that's totally true. Yeah, especially for me, I think you bounce off each other. And when we go for our brunches or even out for dinner in the evening, we're like chatting away and it's like, be quiet. We're just so loud and we haven't had a drink. We're just talking constantly and then we don't feel that I'm going to say something that's... If I tell one of my sober stories that I... Well, not my sober stories, when I was drunk, I fell over. I've kept this to myself pretty much or to as few people as possible because it's embarrassing. I was 30 something. I fell over and smashed my teeth. And drunk, I fell over drunk and smashed my teeth, obviously. I didn't break my fall. Woke up in the morning, not realize it didn't hurt. I was drunk. Woke up that I was out with work friends. After that, I didn't go out with work friends anymore. Not that it was their fault, it was my fault. I didn't go to work doos for the embarrassment. I didn't want to embarrass myself. For years, I'd gone to the dentist and had, I forget what they call them, the composites on my teeth. And it was only last year, after being sober a year, I thought, Now I can invest in myself now, trust myself that I'm not going to break them again. And I got veneers. So I've got... When we're together, for me to tell somebody that I fell over drunk and smashed my teeth, I wouldn't tell anybody. I would tell... I've shared this with the group that have similar stories of embarrassment and shame. And I think a lot of people who are listening probably have stories like that too. And I know I do as well. And in hearing these stories, it helps you realize that you're not alone in them. Exactly. Yeah. I'm not going to cry. Sorry, Alex. No, you don't need to apologize. Thank you for sharing that. It's so vulnerable to share those moments. I think what... I don't come about with the embarrassment, but I'm more upset that I didn't feel like I was worthy enough to have them fixed until last year, 15, 20 years when it happened. I was sober a year. I felt worthy enough that it wasn't going to happen again. I'm not going to fall over drunk and smash them. I'm happy about that. I'm happy I've got better teeth now, though. Yeah. And that's amazing. And it shows to me how... I know when I put my photos side by side of me in drinking days and me in sober days, I've had people sometimes give me the feedback of like, You're just as beautiful in both photos or whatever. And I'm like, Okay, thanks. But it's not really like the beauty that I'm trying to show. It's like the change in who you are. And maybe it's only sober people that can see it or maybe we can see it in ourselves. But it's like a total confidence transition. You love yourself so much that you're like, Okay, I'm ready. I need to do this to give myself this gift and fix this. And that is something that can't be... It's not a surface level transformation. And I think for people that haven't been through the sober thing, they don't get that. It's not about the surface. It's about loving yourself so much that you aren't going to harm yourself anymore. Yeah, I've done the same. I've shown people my pictures and they say, well, you look beautiful, but I think it's in the eyes. Whenever I see a transformation, some of my drunk photos, I've got my tongue out, my hair is everywhere. It's just a mess. Not even a mess. It's just a mess. I can see the difference in my eyes. I don't know. Or in other people's eyes, when they and they go there before and after photos. Absolutely. And so tell me about... Okay, so you were part of Be Sober and being part of that community helped you. What else did you... What were some of the strategies or tools that you use in your early days to get through cravings and triggers? I mentioned podcast, walking. I used to walk before when I was drinking, always exercise. But I think that exercising now is more a bit of a meditation. I was thinking this when I was on the treadmill the other day. I just switch off rather than thinking about... I used to drink... I used to exercise to sweat out the alcohol. Now that's not funny, but that's what I used to think. I'm exercising to sweat out the alcohol. I exercise regularly. I went for a walk this morning. I like walking with friends, the sober group. What did I do? So podcast, I took myself away from where I used to drink. That is... Yeah, so rather than sitting in front of the TV, drinking, I would sit somewhere else and read. I would go to bed early. If anyone asks me, my top tip I would say is go to bed early, catch up on all that mis-sleep that you've had, which I thought I was sleeping, but obviously I was just passing out, not sleeping properly. Community, whether it's online or in person is important, even if you're just a boyer on Instagram or on a Facebook group, just reading other people's comments. Yeah, I think the podcast, almost like hypnotism for me, the podcast I would binge, binge, binge, even sitting here working, I would have a podcast on in the background. Alcohol free drinks, AF drinks, I know that can be triggering for some people, but like I mentioned, I was a wine drinker. I never really drank laga. So I did have zero % alcohol. Lagas quite frequently in the beginning. I don't have them so much now or any of AF drinks. It's just a tonic water, cup of tea. Love a cup of tea now. Af drinks are amazing. We actually didn't have them in the UAE when I first got sober. And then I remember going back to Canada and having them for the first time. I was three months over and I just thought they were amazing. And then, of course, they made it to Abu Dhabi and then I just got addicted to those. So. It's been a blessing. Now, Bolly doesn't have any and I'm just back to the normal, which is really good. Yeah, that's good. Well, is Bolly a drinkie culture? That's a. Good question. I was just speaking about it with... I have a sober retreat group that's here right now, and I was telling them there is drinking that happens in Bali, but it's mostly people on vacation. I'll see drinking when I'm around the town, but I can tell that they're vacationers. And in terms of the actual community that lives, especially where I live, I live in Ubud. It depends on where you live on the island, but Ubud is a highly spiritual, highly conscious community. And everyone in my network is a yoga teacher or someone who really cares about their wellbeing. So I actually don't think I've ever been invited to a party in Ubed where there's been alcohol. It's not even a thing for local people. It's not even a thought of I don't even have to say that I'm not going to drink if I go out to dinner with someone because I never am around it. I see people drinking at the other tables, but you can tell that they're on vacation, especially if they're having a beer at noon. You can just tell you're on vacation. And so that's really cool to feel like I'm part of this sober, conscious community. It does make it hard. Before the pandemic ended and I was here, I was trying to run local sober girls yoga events for local people, and I've given up a little bit on that concept. And I really just do it internationally. And then in my studio, I teach classes open to everyone. And the reason why is because sobriety is the norm. People don't really seem to need a support group. Whereas you need it in other places, like in the UK, in the Middle East, in Canada, in every other society that I've lived in, it's so out of the norm to be sober that you need a little network of people to rally around you. Yeah. That's good. That's good. Maybe it'll be like that here one day. I absolutely think it's coming. As you were saying, the millennials, the younger generation is drinking way less. And I'm finding this awareness around alcohol that I've never seen before. It's hitting the news, there's articles, there's conversations. So many people are sober curious. And I think by the time I have children, within the next 5, 10, 15 years, maybe when my kids are teenagers, I don't think they're going to have the same drinking culture that we did. Yeah. It's going to be a bit like smoking was in the 50s and 60s, which is... I can remember smoking on a plane. Oh, my goodness. Wow. I've heard this story. So my grandad and my Nana were both smokers. And I never saw my Nana smoke, but my grandad smoked when I was young. And I only know this because my sister, apparently when she was like two years old, she came outside and looked around the corner and turned to my grandad, and he was like, hiding and smoking. And apparently my sister was like, Grandad, are you smoking? She just was shocked because she was raised with this culture of never smoke. It's so bad for you. That's what everyone said. And she was just stunned to see him smoking. And I think it will be the same thing when my kids, well, hopefully they won't be around that drinking. I mean, maybe my parents might still drink. Maybe that will be that way. I might be able to really, Are you drinking? I was going to. Ask you, what have been some of the biggest positive things that have come from your sobriety? I think it's finding me. I think that's one of the biggest ones. I think it was around about six months. I did put a post on Instagram and said something about finding my authentic self and knowing what that meant to actually put that. Yeah, I feel like being myself and now I'm more myself. Now that I'm more myself, I feel like I've got a much better relationship with my daughter. We speak more honestly to each other. It's just more... I don't know, we just have a so much better relationship. All my relationships are better with my husband. My husband still drinks, but I think because I'm not drinking, he's drinking less, a little less. And yeah, I think it's just better. It's just really hard to say what... Everything just seems to be and feel better. Being sober. Love that answer. Everything's better. And it's so true. It's so true. I'm sat here at my work desk. It was my boss is... He knows I've gone sober. He went up and I told him quite early on. And we were out. I can go to work now, you see. I was at work to do. And we sat having dinner and the ladies were ordering drinks and I ordered, I can't remember what I ordered, but she said, You don't drink. And I said, No. She said, Why? And he said, my line manager said, She's much better not drinking. He answered for me. And my work, I've had in the last two years, I've had two promotions, and that wouldn't have happened if I was still drinking. I would finish work at five o'clock and be wanting to be drinking, simple as that. And now I was in a meeting last night, a work meeting at nine o'clock that I put in the diary. I wouldn't normally have put that in the diary. So everything is better. Everything. Oh, it's amazing. And it's amazing how you don't think it's going to have that trickle effect on your accomplishments and just your ability to even get promotions. I think someone who hasn't been through the sobriety journey might not understand how that's correlated, but it's just like your energy, your confidence, your everything. So I can totally. Relate to that. I don't think I've ever been promoted before I was not sober. I know that I think I had once. But some people might... For me, like you say, it's about the confidence and I've gained so much confidence in the last two years. And most people who know me would think that I am confident, but most people who see me, who think they know me, I'm normally drunk. You know your friends that you go out with and you don't see them in everyday life, but you see them at a party or, I've got to mention my little book of confidence. Oh, love that. And I often post this in the Beuthinger or on the Facebook group or on the dry app, just little... I've had this on my desk for about 12 years, so before I came to Sheffield, and there are only tiny little quotes in there, three or four lines, I don't think you can see. Three or four lines, but it's just so lovely. And it just gives me a boost when I pick it up and read of that. I don't do it every day, but I just love my little book of confidence. Love that. Wow. This has been such an inspiring conversation. And I feel like there's so many people that can listen to. Every time we hear someone else's sober story, there's always so much that you can relate to, so much you can connect to. And your story of getting to that point of quitting drinking and and changing your life and then giving back to the sober community. It's just so inspiring. Well, thank you. I'm enjoying my adventure so far. I really am. I really am. And it's so lovely to meet you. If I wasn't sober, I wouldn't be here with you today. So it's really lovely to meet you. Thank you for having me. So I have one last question for you that I like to ask everyone, is that if you had any advice that you would give to someone who is thinking about quitting drinking, what advice would you give them? They're thinking about quitting. So they haven't even... I think just have a leap of faith, make the decision and stop drinking. Do a little bit of investigation, not an investigation, maybe listen to some podcasts. Go on Instagram, just go through some Reels, look at Sober account. For me, it was about still having fun. So for somebody else, it might be that they still want to, I don't know. I was going to say, well, go hiking, trekking. I mean, there's loads of sober hiking, trekking groups, but there might be somebody who wants a certainThey don't want to give up something, but the only thing they're giving up is alcohol. They're gaining so much more. There's nothing to lose. That's so true. It has been so awesome to meet you. And thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing so much of your story with us. I really appreciate it. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. It's been wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, Fred. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Sober Yoga Girl Podcast. This community wouldn't exist without you here, so thank you. It would be massively helpful if you could subscribe, leave a review and share this podcast so it can reach more people. If we haven't met yet in real life, please come get your one week free trial of the Sober Girls Yoga membership and see what we're all about. Sending you love and light wherever you are in the world.

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